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My Y DNA has proven to be identical- 37/37 - to Philemon French b. 1774,
son of Robert French and Joanna Osborne.
Philemon is believed to be a descendant of John the brickmason d.1713 Woodbridge NJ.
Richard b. 1775 is not a listed son of Robert
The Y-DNA is a paternal trait, So Philemon and Richard
have the
same family.
Richard b. 1775 left possible clues as to his heritage in naming his
daughters..
Selitie-
I think for his step-mother, married to Richard French at New
Germantown, now Oldwick.
The other children could
be used to point to Phillip French (NYC mayor
1702) as Grandfather.. but I do NOT think so. The "girls" in Philip's family
are:
Susana, Philips wife Susanna Brockholz; daughters, Catherine, Marie &
Sarah, .
The
girls in "my" Richard family are Seletie, Caty, Susana, Mary and Sarah.
I think Richard's children were named for
family, but not necessarily
Philips.
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Philip French m. Annetje
Phillipse on 6 July 1694.
Their first son, Philip died as an infant, the second son was named
Phillipus, b. 1697.
Philip(us)
m. Susanna Brockholz, they - or Philip(us) with a second wife
could have produced the French's listed here-
OR
Familysearch has a recorded Philipus b. 1733 that could be the father of:
(from the NYC NY marriage license data):
1755
10 Dec; Joseph French; Mary Jarvis
1758 14 Sep; Samuel French; Catharine Bown (Brown)
1760 27 Nov; Michael French; Mary
Denicke
WARNING: these could be sons of other French's!.
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Note: Noah French is recorded as b. 1754. IF that is a good date, none
of the above are his parents.
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I
find a Joseph French at Zion Church at Hunterdon in the 1770's where he
baptised Eleanora. (sorry, no Mary. Eleanora.)
Joseph could be Joseph French
and Mary Jarvis- OR? maybe a brother to taxpayer Moses- ie. son of John
French?
(
Does it make sense that MAYBE Noah and Moses have the same parent??)
10 Years later, in the 1780's Richard and Selletje
baptise William and
Anne. Same Church
Richard had 2 sons, Moses in 1809 Walpack, Sussex, NJ. and Richard
in 1817
Tuscarawas OH.
So my theory is:
I think & Believe "my" Richard is the son of Richard
and Mercy North;
Seletje is a Step-mother.
When Mercy died, dad was incapable of caring for Richard, so he was
taken
to his uncle Moses. (This scenario, if true, repeats in my family as my
Father was taken to a German Orphanage
when his mother died; his sister went
to live with her family in Louisville, KY.)
OK; Taking it from Richard
and Elizabeth:
They had at least these children;
John b. 1711 m. Mary.
Sarah, b. 1713
Richard
B. b. 1717 m. Mercy North & 2. (about 1780) "Sarah" (Selletje)
Elizabeth b. 1719 &
Robert, b. 1724
m. 1.Mary Willis, 2. Joanna Osborne
Only Roberts children are well documented.
I think
"John"
is John C. French, that he is father of Moses French, a Sussex Co.
taxpayer in 1773&4. And possibly the Henery French
also on the Sussex tax
list 1774.
Grandson Benjamin named Moses' sons as Aaron, John C. and Johnathan, so
Richard
is not a son of Moses.(And remember that Noah was in Newton, Sussex
in 1794 or so, that is close to Walpack.)
Richard
B. b. 1717 is "my" {b. ~1775} Richards father, with Mercy North as
mother.
Robert is the Father of- (among others)
Philemon b. 1774.
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Author: Lauber, Almon Wheeler.
Title: Indian Slavery in Colonial Times Within
the Present Limits of
the United States.
Citation: New York: Columbia University, 1913.
Subdivision: Chapter V
HTML by Dinsmore Documentation * Added October 1, 2002114
The narrative of grievances against Jacob Leisler includes the
following: "The same night, December 23, 1689, an Indian
slave, belonging to
Philip French, was dragged to the Fort (New York), and there imprisoned."2
Where's Philip?
In 1698 : Deposition in London; re the New York ship
Frederick, Mr. Humphrey Parking,
captured by the Dutch in 1698 and taken to
Hamburg. Deponents include: Humphrey Parking, mariner aged 30, resident in
New
York for eight years but born at Empicombe, Devon; Richard S. Sampson,
fisherman aged 23, resident of Piscataway, New England,
for 16 years but
born at Stonehouse, Devon; John Lawrence, sailor aged 23, born and resident
in Long Island, New York;
PHILIP FRENCH, merchant aged 31, resident in New
York for 12 years but born at the Hermitage, Wapping, Middlesex;
Age:
31 = b. +- 1667 baptised 27 Nov. 1667 fits.
Per freepages Geneology .com:
Philip <?> French; Sr (Rn=9382)
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b: at Kilshall, Suffolk Shire, England
| d: <Jun 1707
| Occupation; Mayor of NYC in Oct 1702
| Residence: 1 Kilshall,
Suffolk Shire, England
| m: to Annetje <Frederick> Philipse French (Rn=248) 6 Jul 1694 at NYC DRC
| Note: 1 Emigrant
in Jun 1689 from Suffolk Shire, England.
Ergo, emigrated , came to America +-1696. vice June 1689 per the
Deposition.
Philip b. in England, married Anna Phillipse . ( d.1707)"
. . . John French lived in the lower part of
the Broad Way, near the
Bowling
Green, and not far from the new home of his brother Philip, on Pearl St.,
near the
present site of the celebrated Fraunces Tavern. Philip, in his will
dated May 29 1706, probated June 3, 1707, makes a bequest
to the children of
his brother, John French, but does not give their names and the probate
records do not disclose them.
The will of Phillip French of Kelshall, County
Suffolk, England, dated Feb. 12, 1697, proved Feb. 4, 1704 by his son,
Philip,
jr., of New York, gives to his son, John, "one thousand pounds, to
be paid to him in New York in America".
>From
the quartery Journal of the New York State Historical Association -
>New
York History, Volume LVI Number 1, January
1975, in an article entitled:
The
Minisink Grant: Partnerships, Patents, and Processing Fees in Eighteenth
Century
New York comes the following:
page 43
The Minisink patent was granted to twenty-three proprietors in 1704.
The
grant embraced a tract of approximately 170 square miles on the boundary
between New York and New Jerey, twenty
miles west of the Hudson River in
Orange and Ulster Counties.
The footnote lists several of the men, one of whom
was a Philip French. The
patent was issued on August 28th, 1704.
"1704--Aug. 28--Patent to Philip French",...
etc "Beginning at a place in
Ulster County called the Hunting House or Yagh House, lying to the northeast
of land called
Bashe's Land, thence to run west by north until it meets the
Fishkill or main branch of Delaware River, thence to run southerly
to the
south end of Great Minnisink Island, thence due south to the land lately
granted to John Bridges & Co.,"
i.e., to the Wawayanda Patent."
....Stephen DeLancey and Philip French served in the assembly prior to or
during
this period (referring to Cornbury's council).
pg.199, a brief story on a heroic women of the times (1763) "Her husband,
early
in the war abandoned the old homestead, took his young wife to
Minisink, as the thickly inhabited section of Mamakating
was then
known,...."
This was the Great Minnisink Patent covering lands now in Orange County
andas far south as
Great Minnisink Island nine miles south of Port Jervis,
and
as far north as about Mamakating, Sullivan (then Ulster)
County, near which
the Hunting House stood." etc etc
- this Minisink patent included land
that was claimed by
New York and New Jersey. ( new Jersey claimed 7 miles
North, New York 10 miles South of the current border.)
Philip b.1701 married Susanna Brockholst; children:
1.. Catherine French
2.. Anna French
b: 8 APR 1722
3.. Susanna French b: BEF. 19 JUN 1723
4.. Elizabeth French b: 27 DEC 1724 in
New York City
5.. Maria French b: BEF. 19 JUN 1726
Then remarried Anna Billop Farmer
yeilding
at least son Phillipus
I think that it is logical that Phillipus is responsible for the naming of Robert
French's son Philemon.
Philemon FRENCH (AFN: WJ9Z-GC) Pedigree
Sex: M Family
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Event(s):
Birth: 1774
New Jersey
Death: 1860
Keuka, Steuben Co, New York
Burial:
Wayne, Steuben Co, New York
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Parents:
Father: Robert C. FRENCH (AFN: WJ9S-LC) Family
Mother: Joanna OSBORN (AFN: WJ9R-C1)
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Marriage(s):
Spouse: Temperance BLAIR (AFN: WJ9Z-HJ) Family
Marriage:
Strange he would name a son with Ms. Farmer for the previous wife's family?
from:http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:Si2qk3aa6iUJ:users.erols.com/rlward1/ahnentafel.html++Kelshall++%22Philip+French%22&hl=en
208.
Edward EARLE bp. 22 Apr 1690 Secaucus, Bergen Co., NJ; m. Elizabeth
FRENCH say 1719
Bergen, Bergen Co., NJ; d.
5 May 1755 Secaucus, Bergen Co., NJ, age 65
.418. John FRENCH bp. 13 Mar 1659 Saxmundham, Suffolk, England; m. Mary
WHITE 21 Oct 1694 Shrewsbury, Monmouth Co., NJ; d. aft. 7 Oct 1716 New York,
New York Co., NY.
836. Philip FRENCH
bp. 13 Nov 1625 Saxmundham, Suffolk, England; m. Mary
(--?--) bef. 1 Feb 1656 Saxmundham, Suffolk, England; d. between
12 Feb 1697
and 4 Feb 1703 Kelshall, Suffolk, England..
837. Mary (--?--) b. ca. 1630 Saxmundham, Suffolk,
England; m. Philip FRENCH
bef. 1 Feb 1656 Saxmundham, Suffolk, England; d. aft. 1659 Saxmundham,
Suffolk, England.
1672.
Thomas FRENCH bp. 20 Nov 1574 Knodishall, Suffolk, England; m. Margery
KNIGHTS 4 Nov 1617 Ipswich, Suffolk, England; d.
aft. 1635 Saxmundham,
Suffolk, England.
1673. Margery KNIGHTS bp. 27 Aug 1592 Kelsale, Suffolk, England; m.
Thomas
FRENCH 4 Nov 1617 Ipswich, Suffolk, England; d. aft. 1635 Saxmundham,
Suffolk, England.
3344.
Robert FRENCH bp. 26 Apr 1545 Saxmundham, Suffolk, England; m. Alice
WYLTON 30 Jul 1569 Kelsale, Suffolk, England; d.
aft. 1574 England.
3345. Alice WYLTON b. ca. 1545 England; m. Robert FRENCH 30 Jul 1569
Kelsale, Suffolk, England;
d. aft. 1574 England.
6688. Thomas FRENCH b. ca. 1510 Saxmundham, Suffolk, England; m. Alice
(--?--) bef.
1545 Saxmundham, Suffolk, England; d. aft. 1567 Saxmundham,
Suffolk, England.
6689. Alice (--?--) b. ca. 1510
Saxmundham, Suffolk, England; m. Thomas
FRENCH bef. 1545 Saxmundham, Suffolk, England; d. aft. 1545 Saxmundham,
Suffolk,
England.
Add to this The first French I can find in Sussex New Jersey is Samuel
b. 1717-1727
just east of the Deleware. M. Helena Rosencrans More.
Next one's are the 1773-74 taxpayers Moses & Henery
Frensh
4 Dalcho, An Historical Account of the Protestant Episcopal Church in South
Carolina, p. 287; Humphreys,
An Historical Account of the Incorporated
Society for the Propagation of the Gospel in Foreign Parts, etc., edition of
1730, pp. 103-105.
As the result of the intermingling of negroes and Indians, which came
about
when the coast tribes dwindled and the small number of remaining
members moved inland, associated and intermarried with
the negroes until
they finally lost their identity and were classed with that race, a
considerable portion of the
blood of the southern negroes is unquestionably
Indian. Nineteenth Annual Report of the Bureau of American Ethnology,
1897-1898, p. 233. It was these mixed bloods, as well as the pure blood
Indians, to which the statutes referred by
the terms "Indian slaves" and
"mustee," or "mestee," slaves. Occasional mention is made in the colonial
newspapers
of slaves of the mixed red and black races. American Weekly
Mercury, October 24, 1734. The opinion has even been advanced
that, in
certain of the colonies, there never were any pure blood Indian slaves. Mr.
W. B. Melius of Albany, New York,
asserts; "I do not believe the pure Indian
was sold as a slave (in New York), I believe the Indian who was the slave
was
not without mixture." New York State Library Bulletin, History, No. 4,
May, 1900. One instance of the mixture of the Indians
and negroes in New
York is found in a complaint made in 1717, that negro slaves ran away, and
were secreted by the
Minisink with whose women they intermarried. Ibid., No.
4, May, 1900.
Which may explain the Aree /French
negro marriage.
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